Comments on: The Zen of Ear Training – Part 1 http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/ Insight for Independent Artists Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rick Stone http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6742 Rick Stone Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:41:00 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-6742 Sorry Barbara, in the moveable Do system that's taught in most American schools now "Si" is the sharped version of "So."  The chromatic scale ascending (with sharps) goes like this: Do Di Re Ri Mi Fa Fi So Si La Li Ti Do And descending with flats is: Do Ti Te La Le So Se Fa Mi Me Re Ra Do Of course, the direction of the line doesn't necessarily dictate whether sharps or flats are used, but the actual construction of the scale, so a Harmonic minor scale for instance, is going to have both a minor 3rd and a Major 7th and would be sung (both ascending and descending) with the following syllables: Do Re Me Fa So Le Ti Do Ti Le So Fa Me Re Do (and after typing all this, I see that you did address it in a post further down in this thread). However, if we talk to some our friends in Latin language speaking countries, I think we'll find they use "Si" for 7th note of the scale and in a "Fixed Do" system, that's ALWAYS the note "B."  Check out this link (and scroll down to "Fixed Do" and you'll see this). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge Sorry Barbara, in the moveable Do system that’s taught in most American schools now “Si” is the sharped version of “So.”  The chromatic scale ascending (with sharps) goes like this:

Do Di Re Ri Mi Fa Fi So Si La Li Ti Do

And descending with flats is:

Do Ti Te La Le So Se Fa Mi Me Re Ra Do

Of course, the direction of the line doesn’t necessarily dictate whether sharps or flats are used, but the actual construction of the scale, so a Harmonic minor scale for instance, is going to have both a minor 3rd and a Major 7th and would be sung (both ascending and descending) with the following syllables:

Do Re Me Fa So Le Ti Do Ti Le So Fa Me Re Do

(and after typing all this, I see that you did address it in a post further down in this thread).

However, if we talk to some our friends in Latin language speaking countries, I think we’ll find they use “Si” for 7th note of the scale and in a “Fixed Do” system, that’s ALWAYS the note “B.”  Check out this link (and scroll down to “Fixed Do” and you’ll see this).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solf%C3%A8ge

]]> By: Lorenjones http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6469 Lorenjones Wed, 21 Sep 2011 03:29:00 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-6469 I think that we should not get caught up into the technical sense of pitch or the use of phrases which throws off the entire concept of what we are trying to achieve, instead listen to the sound, disern the perfect beauty in the sound, [like looking at colors], find the vividness of the pitch, when looking this closely your ears will begin to take their natural position, hearing,and amasingly they will find what your mind has communicated them to look for,PERFICT PITCH.  I think that we should not get caught up into the technical sense of pitch
or the use of phrases which throws off the entire concept of what we are
trying to achieve, instead listen to the sound, disern the perfect beauty in the sound,
[like looking at colors], find the vividness of the pitch, when looking this closely
your ears will begin to take their natural position, hearing,and amasingly
they will find what your mind has communicated them to look for,PERFICT PITCH. 

]]> By: Jojo Taylor http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6186 Jojo Taylor Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:09:00 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-6186 Althouth I have Been Singing as a Frontman for over 4 Decades , I Have Found That You Can Teach an Old Dod New Tricks ! The Exercises have proven to be very useful , and now singing Arcapelo is a Breeze ! Jo Jo Taylor Althouth I have Been Singing as a Frontman for over 4 Decades , I Have Found That You Can Teach an Old Dod New Tricks ! The Exercises have proven to be very useful , and now singing Arcapelo is a Breeze !
Jo Jo Taylor

]]> By: Mike http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6001 Mike Fri, 13 May 2011 21:25:59 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-6001 awesome reply daniel. hans: don't be too caught up on what "zen" is defined as, or whether these concepts fit into what you already seem to have preconceived what it is. just let it be what it is and call it whatever you want; words are merely signposts between ideas awesome reply daniel. hans: don’t be too caught up on what “zen” is defined as, or whether these concepts fit into what you already seem to have preconceived what it is. just let it be what it is and call it whatever you want; words are merely signposts between ideas

]]> By: Ariala http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5969 Ariala Fri, 06 May 2011 16:00:25 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-5969 I did all kinds of exercises just like these in choir. And I don't have to sing these with instruments anymore. I can do it perfectly fine by myself and its in tune! I did all kinds of exercises just like these in choir. And I don’t have to sing these with instruments anymore. I can do it perfectly fine by myself and its in tune!

]]> By: Tim Smith http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5903 Tim Smith Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:26:33 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-5903 GREAT advice! Ear protection is the way to go, can't stress that enough! Tim Smith The Soundscape Recording Studio Royal Oak, MI GREAT advice! Ear protection is the way to go, can’t stress that enough!
Tim Smith
The Soundscape Recording Studio
Royal Oak, MI

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1650 Anonymous Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:30:05 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-1650 Also research generally shows that relative pitch can be aquired skill (with lots of work), perfect pitch is developed in a small number of people during their earliest years. It is most common in people whose mother tongue is a tonal language (madarin, Thai, etc. ) Also research generally shows that relative pitch can be aquired skill (with lots of work), perfect pitch is developed in a small number of people during their earliest years. It is most common in people whose mother tongue is a tonal language (madarin, Thai, etc. )

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.discmakers.com/2009/11/the-zen-of-ear-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1649 Anonymous Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:25:55 +0000 http://blog.discmakers.com/?p=2872#comment-1649 Hey Mitch I think you are mostly correct in the North American context, but in Eerope and the Middle-East people commonly do say "this chord progression goes from the Do to the Sol.” I have heard it many times. Hey Mitch I think you are mostly correct in the North American context, but in Eerope and the Middle-East people commonly do say
“this chord progression goes from the Do to the Sol.”
I have heard it many times.

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